Curse

Talesin Darkbriar · Jul 13, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by GW Monkey

There's no reason to skip Ascension. Why would you? Let's see...
1) you're a lame player and you don't have the ability to take down your doppleganger.
2) you're trying to get an advantage in lower arenas by not levelling, so you can still get into Ascalon or Yaks arena with max armor and elites you shouldn't have faction for, hoping to PWN TEH NOOBZ or whatever. Also lame. 3) you think you're cool and refuse to conform. We like conformity. We need it. There's no way to build an effective team with 8 leaders and no followers.

Seeing someone in Drokar's asking "what is this blue text [unidentified] on my item mean?" will drive me to kill someone in real life eventually. Possibly your mom. So save an innocent life... don't party with non-20ths past Augury.

Too true. Unfortunately I believe you and I are the only players who feel this way.
The standard excuse for rushing is "because I am already so elite I don't need to actually play the game as designed."
/vomit.

It's exactly as you state - they arrive in South shiverpeaks arrogant and clueless.

Talesin

Stur · Jul 13, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Ya don't skip ascension, Elonas the only hard one an you can just pay a runner to do that one for you while you sip tea and watch TV, the ascension is also the only way to the dragons cave I believe where you cap some good elites LOL

Zoin34 · Jul 13, 2005, 03:58 PM // 15:58

I'd say the only way for people to stop skipping ascension is getting rid of lonars pass then u wouldnt have lvl 10 idiots in the arena with the best armor in the game....*sigh*

ZD_kusanagi · Jul 13, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

It's not so much a matter of being lame in the way of not being able to beat your doppleganger as you think. Personally, I wanted a challenge for myself, so I used a ranger with nothing but pre-searing armor through every single mission and on to augury rock at lvl 13. Does that mean i was rushed there? no. Do people automatically assume i was? of course. but at lvl 13, with pre- searing armor, it is literally impossible to beat your dopple. when he does hits of 50+ and you have only 300 hp, your dead. except. of course if you know how to play the game. i eventually beat him at lvl 15. so when you say it's for nothing, i really dissagree. i believe its basically to weed out the weak from the strong. those who have what it takes to beat him can go on, and those who dont, well, then they dont. lol
but i think you guys are missing out on a HUGE difference. those who don't ascend.. an the get to the hall of heroes? no. can they get to dragons lair with those elite skills? nope. but mostly, its the problem of they cant get to hoh without ascending. thats your reward. thats what your ascendin for. so you all should do it.

theclam · Jul 13, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Ascension gives you 54,000-58,000 experience, plus 4 skill points (3 Ascension missions + Dragon's Lair) that won't get if you don't Ascend. It's very much worth it.

Zenos · Jul 13, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by GW Monkey

I'm getting pissed at the "cheaters" - if I see any character past Augury who's not 20th, that person does not get a party with me or anyone in my groups. I automatically refuse blind invites as it is, but if you're in Southern Shiverpeaks or beyond and you try to get game, I'll broadcast my dislike for you. You can play the game any way you want, but it's my hope that non-20ths will only be acceptable teammates to other non-20ths. I say it this way because there's no way to tell if a 20th ascended or just levelled, but a non-20th definitely didn't ascend.

So you are saying that anyone at Augury Rock and not level 20 are cheaters? I beat my mirror at level 17 without being run anywhere. Just because you suck and need to be level 20 to get to Yaks bend does not mean that everyone else is as bad as you. I did Thirsty River with a level 14 Ranger on my team and he/she played better than 2 of the 20's.

Edit: I do consider Dunes, Elonas and Thirsty River past Augury Rock since it is your first stop on the road to ascension.

If you want to know some reasons why I might have my 3rd char rushed to Droknars here they are:

1: To not have to waste all my salvage inventory on 3 sets of armor before I get there.

2: Due to the last few patches I am not getting anywhere near the drops I did before. (And I am not farming) Likely I will not have the cash or resources to get Droknar armor if I do it the correct way without farming after ascension. Ohh yeah farming is nerfed so I can't do it that way either.

3: I have done all the missions twice. Not to mention the times I went back to help other people. So doing them again would be boring. I guess I could just quit playing and never buy another expansion set, but I doubt ANet would like that too much.

4: To help someone else make some money so that they can buy their 15k armor.

5: To see if I can make it through Ice caves and Iron Mines with henchies at level 10 for a challenge.

Going back to low level arenas or to spam at Droknars for a ride to somewhere else is lame. Especially when you would have 7 level 20 henchies. There is no reason to spam for a runner at Beacons. If you are there a couple of minutes a runner will advertise their services.

ZD_kusanagi · Jul 13, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

That was probably my ranger lol.

mamluk · Jul 13, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

Too true. Unfortunately I believe you and I are the only players who feel this way.
The standard excuse for rushing is "because I am already so elite I don't need to actually play the game as designed."
/vomit.

It's exactly as you state - they arrive in South shiverpeaks arrogant and clueless.
Talesin

Who cares how others play PvE? How can it affect you? You don't have to group with them. You don't have to talk, trade or play paddy-whack with them. Just leave them be and avoid them in groups. Simple. Sounds like this issue has your panties in a wad and you are spoiling for a fight.

Are you really so arrogant that you insist that the game must be played in the same linear fashion that you played it in? Fact is, characters can zip through all the missions and end up in the desert at quite a low level, without having to get run to droknars or sanctum cay. Are you going to say that they haven't played the game properly, because they haven't done bonuses or side quests? I can understand that you wouldn't want to group with them, but your feelings seem to extend past that.

I rushed my third character and I have been having a blast playing him, much more so than the first two (and you would think that it would get more boring the third time around). I took groups of henchies out getting elites and leveling my character up at the same time. I got to the ring of fire without ever grouping with anyone, just henchies and this at level 15 (I am sure others have done ever better). The point is, if you are a smart player, you can go through the whole game using just henchies. I haven't been a burden to anyone. It seems like I am having a much more enjoyable time playing this game without worrying and fretting about players who rush through the game.

bobrath · Jul 13, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

I guess the difference is Mamluk, you aren't joining up with groups and asking what blue text items are, what a "marsut" is, or "why are we attacking the white mantle they're our friends".

I've had too many chars show up in the forge that took the easy way with their first character. Maybe the solution is that Lornar's pass becomes impassable if at least one of your characters has not ascended. That way folks who have played through the game even once are justified in skipping parts, but the first timers are routed through the full story line.

(I still feel bad for my first time through a mission when I actually watch the cinematic even when the rest of the party wants to skip it).

mamluk · Jul 13, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by bobrath

I guess the difference is Mamluk, you aren't joining up with groups and asking what blue text items are, what a "marsut" is, or "why are we attacking the white mantle they're our friends".

I've had too many chars show up in the forge that took the easy way with their first character. Maybe the solution is that Lornar's pass becomes impassable if at least one of your characters has not ascended. That way folks who have played through the game even once are justified in skipping parts, but the first timers are routed through the full story line.

(I still feel bad for my first time through a mission when I actually watch the cinematic even when the rest of the party wants to skip it).

Good point, and since I haven't directly experienced it, I can only imagine how frustrating it would be to have a few clueless low level noobs on thunderhead keep. I can understand why someone would feel upset by that. But to brand everyone who uses Lornar's as a clueless noob and worse, a cheater is overkill. Certainly, I would avoid lower level characters if I was forming a group, but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it beyond that <- why worry about people who can't affect me?

To me, it boils down to just avoiding those who annoy you and getting on with playing the game and having fun. And some of the clueless questions in droknar's just make me laugh, not mad.

Cymmina · Jul 13, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by womble

Is Ascension not a prerequisite for doing the "Change your secondary" Quests? Smells like it should be...

Correct, you must be ascended to unlock the additional secondaries.

I think forcing people to be ascended to use Signet of Capture, a skill you aquire in Lion's Arch, stupid. The first elite skills start showing up on bosses prior to ascention. All you'd end up doing is have even more people join groups under the pretense of completing the ascention missions, then jump ship once they've gotten the elite they were unable to aquire their first time through.

Completing the ascention quests since they changed the ascention reward now automatically completes your current secondary's quest, so that's another free 1000 exp in addition to the 50k exp you get from ascention.

My roommate rushed through Lornar's Pass on his first character so he could get good armor to continue going on with my 3rd RP character. From there, we continued on with the storyline from Lion's Arch to Divinity Coast, then rushed to Sanctum Cay and ascended. Big whoop. But, I suppose the difference is that all "stupid noob questions" are directed at me, rather than making other players cringe.

borkbork · Jul 13, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

* Added party configuration requirement so that parties containing henchmen or unascended players are now prevented from entering the Fissure of Woe and the Underworld.

From new patch..

salja Wachi · Jul 13, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

actually what i think it does or what it should to is make most people have to start thinking of tactics and teamwork, instead be being able to takn any amount of mobs up to the desert.

the desert and the ascension missions are exponentially harder than any mission up to tht point. i think that the devs made this so people would start working together and raelly learn the game

Edge Martinez · Jul 13, 2005, 10:25 PM // 22:25

borkbork's post pretty much solves the 'Why should I ascend?' Not getting to play in UW or FoW would be no big deal to a PvP guy who is just unlocking skills. I'd say it would be terrible for a PvE guy, which you are most likely to encounter.

EternalTempest · Jul 13, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by borkbork

* Added party configuration requirement so that parties containing henchmen or unascended players are now prevented from entering the Fissure of Woe and the Underworld.

From new patch..

Very nice, it makes the reward for ascending and being able to fight for the favor of the gods the ability to access the main reward for (beside 50k xp) for having favor of the gods) access to the Fissure of Woe & Underworld. (Mainly PvE player myself).

Anyone notice this one

*Added tags to highlight fellow guild members in outposts.

Looks like the compaliants about towns / guild members / npc's map issues are starting to be detlt with.

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

borkbork's post pretty much solves the 'Why should I ascend?' Not getting to play in UW or FoW would be no big deal to a PvP guy who is just unlocking skills. I'd say it would be terrible for a PvE guy, which you are most likely to encounter.

But notice how it seems to be set up there will be future zones besides Fow/Uw for future expansions and they can always add monsters with elite skills in new / existing "other worlds" zones or make some of the expansion new elite skills from these zones. Temple of Ages is underdeveloped.